Intelligent Design or Unintelligent Design?

Intelligent Design or Unintelligent Design?
:?: :?: :?: Is there really an intellegent Designer or is the universe came by chance? Let us reason together.

Okay, let us play that there is an Intelligent design, so there must be a designer or a creator or God then, let us assume. I don't think the investigations willstop. who is this intelligent designer then? Christian God? Or Hindu God, or Muslim God? Jewish God? etc.etc... They all claim that they are all knowing and all powerful, right? Each of them will prove the most powerful and all knowing. It would be exciting... he hehe.. biro lang po!!

Okay, let us play that there is an Intelligent design, so there must be a designer or a creator or God then, let us assume. I don't think the investigations willstop. who is this intelligent designer then? Christian God? Or Hindu God, or Muslim God? Jewish God? etc.etc... They all claim that they are all knowing and all powerful, right? Each of them will prove the most powerful and all knowing. It would be exciting... he hehe.. biro lang po!! And then the most interesting part is when believers are trying to attribute the design of the designer to even more higher designer. Did I make sense? Just kidding, but hi, nice to know you guys are still here, sorry for my long absent here in the forum. I just can’t wrap up my mind how I missed so many discussions. Regards, -gil

ha ha ha.. you mean, the designer could be a designer of that designer too, and so forth??? whooooa... the highest of highest of all God.. it could be endless. we're all fine thanks!! paki sundo dun sa kabila na lang si misteryoso, i told him to come back here.. eh!!

ha ha ha.. you mean, the designer could be a designer of that designer too, and so forth??? whooooa... the highest of highest of all God.. it could be endless. we're all fine thanks!! paki sundo dun sa kabila na lang si misteryoso, i told him to come back here.. eh!! Maybe he didn't enjoy the forum, because it's not moderated? Since you and him are best buddy, probably you're the best person who can convince him to return here. BTW, nice to know you're all doing fine. BTW2, I liked your postings, quite informative, I'll re-read them and probably write my input. Regards, -gil

thanks.. he he he.. I only know the basics of science and physics, more than that, i don't know.. most members here know better than I do, my target is to share what I know, and maybe enlighten some new young members what is the fuss all about, issues about evolutions, etc.. it's not for us to convince them to believe in it or not, its for them to go out and investigate what they heard here. well, maybe one day, M_Y will be back, kung naayos na nga itong issue dito, i think, its a misunderstanding, we could have wish it was correct if there is. now that I read the thread. Hindi ko kasi mahanap dati eh, I was really surprised why he left but then he is a little active in PF.

suggestion ko desist to design..nyahahahhaha..joke guess guess you mean.. he can also be SATAN? Deity din siya diba?? He is the traditional opponent of God of Muslim, Judaism and Christianity etc., so he can compete too...who would be the designer of the designers? why not?? If he is the Prince(King) of Darkness, and if we were to apply the philosphy of Nihilism, there could be nothing in the dark.. lol..you make me thinking of all the possibilities.. ummmphh.. !!! he he he!!!

suggestion ko desist to design..nyahahahhaha..joke guess guess you mean.. he can also be SATAN? Deity din siya diba?? He is the traditional opponent of God of Muslim, Judaism and Christianity etc., so he can compete too...who would be the designer of the designers? why not?? If he is the Prince(King) of Darkness, and if we were to apply the philosphy of Nihilism, there could be nothing in the dark.. lol..you make me thinking of all the possibilities.. ummmphh.. !!! he he he!!! it was also written in the bible that in the beggining it was dark.. so the bible might be trying to say that satan created the world ten god just took over. :? wag kyo ma hurt.hehehe what do you call that thing when you interpret the bible instead of letting the bible define for itself? just asking..hari ng sablay ako eh.hehe :wink:

it was also written in the bible that in the beggining it was dark.. so the bible might be trying to say that satan created the world ten god just took over. :? oh yeahhh.. why not? That could also a possibility, right? Satan as a Deity have the power too, so he could be the origin or the beginning... then maybe God took over... So Deists also have their own answer here, ( Deism are the popular religion among of the founding fathers of America)... After Satan created everything, then God took over and created everything in 6 days, then s/he abondoned it too.. other possibilities???

what do you call that thing when you interpret the bible instead of letting the bible define for itself? just asking..hari ng sablay ako eh.hehe :wink: eisegesis as opposed to exegesis. reading the meaning INTO the text. 8)

Big Bang Cosmology
I'm curious why people hold this as science, it's as ridiculous to the rational mind as creationism. "Nothing exploded and became something, and that is called science." Evolution is also so unscientific, science is supposed to be reproducible right? The only application of the scientific method, Genetics, disproves evolution. Don't we have any alternative to this? Anyone?

have you heard about quantum vacuum fluctuations? Yes and let me quote some from what i've read. "However, events before this time are undefined in our current science and, in particular, we have no solid understanding of the origin of the Universe (i.e. what started or `caused' the Big Bang)" "It is simply a statement that the Universe was emergent, that the actual of the Universe probably derived from a indeterminate sea of potentiality that we call the quantum vacuum, whose properties may always remain beyond our current understanding." both from http://zebu.uoregon.edu/~js/ast123/lectures/lec17.html. Other sources state pretty much the same idea. This seems to me that mankind has created another god, called it the Big Bang, and i don't think he exists either. I looked at another god created by man, Evolution, and he don't seem to exist either.

what are your reasons for thinking that the big bang did not happen, or that evolution does not take place? to say that both do not exist is ambiguous, since both are events, not things in themselves. people like to create gods for things they don't understand. this case does not seem any different from the others.

what are your reasons for thinking that the big bang did not happen, or that evolution does not take place? to say that both do not exist is ambiguous, since both are events, not things in themselves. people like to create gods for things they don't understand. this case does not seem any different from the others. that's probably true. do you think that the same can be said about creation? that depends, on whether the story was created by man or not. If the story WAS created by man, it's really no different from the others.

that depends, on whether the story was created by man or not. If the story WAS created by man, it's really no different from the others. your statements are logically inconsistent. your second statement does not necessarily imply that if the story was not created by man, then it would be different from the others. your first statement therefore is unwarranted as a conclusion. i seem not to understand why you mean logically inconsistent. They are the same in the sense that they are both stories. They would be different if one is real and the other is not. They are also different if they use different words. One being called creationism and one being called evolutionism already makes them different. I say similar when they are both man made. I described different as one being told by a God and the other by man. Why, o why would my statements be illogical if they are not dialetically but only colloquially phrased? Stories invented by man are invented stories Stories invented by a God are invented stories Stories related by man based on non-fiction is history Stories related by a God based on non-fiction is history A story can claim to be real or not real. We are talking about stories that claim to to be real. That they are true is another matter

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